Kata Bunkai Ii

Sensei Demura presenting the Shito pinans and a little bunkai:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuS0aTMWQZE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5I8FclY6tw


Sensei Ajari doing a little Wado "bunkai":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNO7INE2jWA

Katafreek,

Is there some other interest you have besides karate?
Trying to see if we can find common ground here because it ain't happening thru karate.
It's like you are insisting that Phyllis Diller is a beauty queen and the rest of us are drooling over Bo Derek...

oooh Phyllis Diller!! Now we're talkin'

shep

Hi KF

Thanks for posting these. I haven't seen Demura on video before so I found it quite interesting.

Are we to draw any conclusions from you presenting these video?

Ben

Kusotare,

Couldn't you be a little more current - Phyllis Diller is 92 and Bo Derek is 53.
You really are showing your age here

Scaramouche

Demura and Ajari's applications for pinan nidan and shodan were very similar so the wadoka searching for bunkai could learn Shito bunkai for the pinans without necessarily contradicting what he/she learned in Wado.

Not to get too personal, but watching the pinans from shito (as well as other styles) makes me love and appreciate wado more. Everything, or most, that we do is done on the basis of making sense. Ex. keeping your center in the middle all or most of the time so that we're able to move in the middle of a technique, using our whole body to block and just just the forearm.

The personal part for me is that I don't have to rationalize the ineffectiveness of some of the techniques because they make sense

Demura and Ajari's applications for pinan nidan and shodan were very similar so the wadoka searching for bunkai could learn Shito bunkai for the pinans without necessarily contradicting what he/she learned in Wado.

I couldn't get the Demura vids to play, but saw the Ajari one.

If I'd attended a Wado class and been shown the Ajari interpretations I would have been profoundly disappointed. (I'm sorry but it had to be said).

Scaramouche

Do you think other styles don't use their whole body?

Demura and Ajari's applications for pinan nidan and shodan were very similar so the wadoka searching for bunkai could learn Shito bunkai for the pinans without necessarily contradicting what he/she learned in Wado.

I couldn't get the Demura vids to play, but saw the Ajari one.

If I'd attended a Wado class and been shown the Ajari interpretations I would have been profoundly disappointed. (I'm sorry but it had to be said).

Scaramouche

Perhaps, but we don't know his intentions. I myself don't use those kinds of techniques when showing (referring the first move) but perhaps the idea was to show the correct distance?

Do you think other styles don't use their whole body?

WHen i took other styles (mostly korean) they used their forearms, which hurts like hell when you have two people using their forearms. I think i didn't say what i meant. Wado uses closer to the elbow to block.

I know, or think, that other styles also use body because in otsuka's book he said that karate is about using the body in techniques.

Do you think other styles don't use their whole body?

WHen i took other styles (mostly korean) they used their forearms, which hurts like hell when you have two people using their forearms. I think i didn't say what i meant. Wado uses closer to the elbow to block.

I know, or think, that other styles also use body because in otsuka's book he said that karate is about using the body in techniques.

ah ok, that makes it more clear indeed. however, closer to the the elbow depends on the situation.

Demura and Ajari's applications for pinan nidan and shodan were very similar so the wadoka searching for bunkai could learn Shito bunkai for the pinans without necessarily contradicting what he/she learned in Wado.

I couldn't get the Demura vids to play, but saw the Ajari one.

If I'd attended a Wado class and been shown the Ajari interpretations I would have been profoundly disappointed. (I'm sorry but it had to be said).

Scaramouche

Perhaps, but we don't know his intentions. I myself don't use those kinds of techniques when showing (referring the first move) but perhaps the idea was to show the correct distance?

Hi AJ,

I think the underlying intention (if not the overarching intention) is to record for posterity Wado technique as supposedly represented by the karate of Hironori Ohtsuka.

For me this is where there is a reality gap.

Scaramouche

Demura and Ajari's applications for pinan nidan and shodan were very similar so the wadoka searching for bunkai could learn Shito bunkai for the pinans without necessarily contradicting what he/she learned in Wado.

I couldn't get the Demura vids to play, but saw the Ajari one.

If I'd attended a Wado class and been shown the Ajari interpretations I would have been profoundly disappointed. (I'm sorry but it had to be said).

Scaramouche

Perhaps, but we don't know his intentions. I myself don't use those kinds of techniques when showing (referring the first move) but perhaps the idea was to show the correct distance?

Hi AJ,

I think the underlying intention (if not the overarching intention) is to record for posterity Wado technique as supposedly represented by the karate of Hironori Ohtsuka.

For me this is where there is a reality gap.

Scaramouche

Hi Scaramouche,

Understood, makes me remember my sensei who always used to say "there is no fantasy".

AJ

Demura and Ajari's applications for pinan nidan and shodan were very similar so the wadoka searching for bunkai could learn Shito bunkai for the pinans without necessarily contradicting what he/she learned in Wado.

I couldn't get the Demura vids to play, but saw the Ajari one.

If I'd attended a Wado class and been shown the Ajari interpretations I would have been profoundly disappointed. (I'm sorry but it had to be said).

Scaramouche

Perhaps, but we don't know his intentions. I myself don't use those kinds of techniques when showing (referring the first move) but perhaps the idea was to show the correct distance?

Hi AJ,

I think the underlying intention (if not the overarching intention) is to record for posterity Wado technique as supposedly represented by the karate of Hironori Ohtsuka.

For me this is where there is a reality gap.

Scaramouche

..... Which brings a serious credibility gap also.

oneya